Old 10-26-2014, 05:39 PM   #11
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ok great thanks for the help I'll order his records thanks again
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:40 PM   #12
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I don't know if you want this, but this is the make up of a "typical" Independent Machine Gun Company

[left]INDEPENDENT MACHINE GUN COMPANY

War Establishment II/239/1. January 1944.

The Independent Machine Gun Company was intended to serve with an armoured division. The armoured division had only one infantry brigade. To enable it to operate independently the independent company had more personnel at company headquarters than the company in a machine gun battalion. Often the extra personnel carried out the roles of personnel at a battalion headquarters but with a lower rank. Thus we have a provost corporal and an intelligence private in place of serjeants.

As the campaign progressed it became usual for the lorried infantry battalions to be closely linked with armoured regiments and to operate more closely with together as battalion/regiment battle groups. In this organisation the machine gun platoons were semi permanently attached to a lorried infantry battalion and relied on the independent company headquarters only for administration and for technical support for the machine guns. The 4.2” mortars remained concentrated under company headquarters and formed a divisional reserve rather than as support for the infantry brigade.

Personnel
Major
2 X Captain
6 X Subaltern

Company Serjeant Major
company quartermaster serjeant
transport serjeant
serjeant technical storeman
14 X serjeant
25 X corporal
149 X private
Total 201

Plus Attached
corporal nursing orderly RCAMC
serjeant armourer RCEME
serjeant vehicle mechanic RCEME
2 X vehicle mechanic RCEME
officers mess cook RCASC
corporal cook RCASC
4 X cook RCASC

Trades etc included
carpenter and joiner
corporal clerk
2 X clerk
27 X driver mechanics
18 X driver operators
equipment repairer
technical storeman
corporal vehicle mechanic
vehicle mechanic
administrative corporal
3 X ammunition numbers
5 X batman
4 X batman driver
13 X driver IC
intelligence private
48 X MMG numbers
4 X corporal mortarman
12 X mortarman
corporal mortar position officers assistant
11 X motorcycle orderlies
corporal observation post assistant.
orderly
provost corporal
6 X rangetakers
sanitary dutyman
3 X signaller
storeman
4 X stretcherbearers

Transport
16 X motorcycle
2 X car 5cwt 4 X 4 (jeep)
9 X 15cwt GS
1 X 15cwt office
1 X 15cwt water
2 X 15cwt FFW
6 X 3ton 4 X 4
6 X Loyd carrier
26 X Universal carrier
6 X 10cwt mortar trailer.


Company headquarters

The company headquarters did not usually operate as a single entity. The Commanding Officer would position his small tactical headquarters at the headquarters of the unit being supported. In this case it would normally be the headquarters of the Lorried Infantry Brigade of an armoured division. The similar headquarters of a Medium Machine Gun Company of a Machine Gun Regiment in an infantry division would position itself at infantry brigade headquarters. The second in command was responsible for administrative matters and would have an administrative headquarters. He was assisted by the Company Serjeant Major. The intelligence serjeant and intelligence private were responsible for maintaining a situation map. The provost corporal maintained order in the headquarters area, mainly parking etc, plus route marking. The small medical detachment was positioned at a convenient, and readily locatable, point.

15cwt GS
Major, batman driver
Car 5cwt 4 X 4
2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set No22
Motorcycle
orderly
The 15cwt GS truck was assigned to the Major commanding the company but he would only travel in it for long journeys. It was in effect his permanent base, office, sleeping vehicle etc. The jeep, equipped with wireless is the vehicle that the Major would use for visiting sub units, headquarters of the unit being and for reconnaissance. The orderly is the Major’s personal messenger. The batman driver was the Major’s soldier servant who also drove the 15cwt.

15cwt GS
Captain, Company Serjeant Major, intelligence private, batman driver
Normally a second in command would not be stationed near the commanding officer in action in case they both became casualties. In this case the small size of the headquarters and the dispersed nature of the company in action probably made this unnecessary and unpractical.
Motorcycle
intelligence serjeant
Motorcycle
orderly
15cwt FFW
corporal driver operator, driver operator
Carries Wireless set no22
This vehicle is for communication with the platoons. There would also be a 15cwt wireless vehicle of the Royal Signals to provide communications upwards. In larger units with a signal officer it was normal for him to be based in the headquarters group. This may apply to the signal serjeant in this case.
15cwt office
Subaltern, corporal clerk, batman driver
Motorcycle
provost corporal

15cwt GS
corporal nursing orderly, 4 X stretcher bearer, driver IC
It was usual for independent units to have their own medical detachment. However when they were attached to a brigade they would normally place their medical personnel under the command of the brigades medical services and share the brigades resources. Obviously a machine gun detachment with an infantry battalion would use the battalions Regimental Aid Post.


Headquarters platoon
This was responsible for the transport, supply and maintenance of the company. It would need to be able to do this over a brigade front and would as far as possible be integrated with brigade and battalion supply and maintenance systems.

Headquarters
Car 5cwt 4 X 4
Captain, batman driver
Motorcycle
orderly
The Captain was responsible for the day to day running of the headquarters platoon, and for the layout and defence of the B echelon area. In action it was more likely to be the second in command who called vehicles, equipment, supplies and personnel forward while the remainder of the vehicles and personnel were held by the brigade B echelon.

Signal section

As usual the signal section was dispersed. One 15cwt FFW travelled with the headquarters. Signal orderlies were attached to officers. The remainder were available for deployment as required. When not supervising and positioning signals detachments the signal serjeant would probably be at company headquarters.
Motorcycle
signal serjeant
Motorcycle
orderly
Motorcycle
orderly
Motorcycle
orderly
15cwt GS
3 X signaller, driver IC
Carried cable layer and cable reels
15cwt FFW
2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set no22
When in static positions telephone cable would be laid to all detachments, and between company headquarters and the B echelon area. Where possible the lines would be laid in accordance to brigade and battalion signal plans. Normally the machine gun company would share switchboards if not lines.

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Old 10-26-2014, 05:41 PM   #13
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Transport section

The transport section was commanded by a serjeant. He was responsible for the organisation and maintenance of the motor transport. For any more than routine maintenance and first line repairs he would have to call on the brigade REME Light Aid Detachment and the Brigade Workshop.

Motorcycle
transport serjeant
3 ton lorry GS
serjeant vehicle mechanic, corporal vehicle mechanic, 2 X vehicle mechanic, serjeant technical stores, technical storeman,
driver mechanic
3ton lorry GS
clerk, driver IC

Supply section
This section is commanded by the Company Quartermaster serjeant and is responsible for the company stores and for the supply and cooking of food. All the companies cooks are concentrated here and it is not clear how the food reaches dispersed detachments. In some dispersed units, such as armour and reconnaissance units, each vehicle has its own portable cooker and can cook its own food if necessary. In other cases hot food is delivered. Perhaps the 15cwt could be used for this.

15cwt GS
clerk, driver IC
15cwt water
sanitary dutyman, driver IC
3 ton GS
company quartermaster serjeant, 3 X cook, driver IC
Carried Quartermaster stores
3 ton lorry GS
corporal cook, 2 X cook, driver IC
Carried cooking sets and rations

Administrative section
As with the supply of food the ammunition supply system is unclear but in this case all the ammunition seems to be carried on one 3ton lorry and is perhaps delivered by the 15cwt. Considering the rate of fire of the mortars in particular there does not seem to be a large reserve of ammunition.
15cwt truck GS
administrative corporal, ammunition number, driver IC
3ton lorry GS
serjeant armourer, equipment repairer, carpenter and joiner, storeman, driver IC
Carries tools and technical stores
3ton lorry GS
2 X ammunition number, orderly, driver IC
Carries ammunition


Heavy Mortar Platoon
Headquarters


The subaltern platoon commander acts as an observation officer. He will either place himself at the headquarters of the unit he is supporting or establish an observation post to observe targets.
Carrier
Subaltern, corporal observation post assistant, 2 X driver operators
Carries Wireless set No22 and Wireless set No38
Motorcycle
orderly

The subaltern mortar position officer receives orders from the observation officer and passes fire orders to the mortars by Tannoy. When moving into position the mortar position officer can call forward the sections by wireless.
Carrier
Subaltern, corporal mortar position officers assistant, 2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set No22
Motorcycle
orderly

Motorcycle
platoon serjeant

Normally all four mortars operate together, although a section can be detached to operate independently. Note that the crew and stowage of the two section leaders carriers differs considerably.

Section 1
Carrier Loyd
serjeant, batman, corporal driver operator, driver operator
This is No1 section commanders carrier
Carries Wireless set No22
Carries 12 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 44 X mortar bombs
Carrier Loyd
corporal mortarman, 3 X mortarman, driver mechanic
Carries 12 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 4.2” mortar and 12 X mortar bombs.
Carrier Loyd
corporal mortarman, 3 X mortarman, driver mechanic
Carries 12 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 4.2” mortar and 12 X mortar bombs.

Section 2
Carrier Loyd
serjeant, batman, driver mechanic
This is No2 section commanders carrier
Carries 24 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 44 X mortar bombs.
Carrier Loyd
corporal mortarman, 3 X mortarman, driver mechanic
Carries 12 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 4.2” mortar and 12 X mortar bombs.
Carrier Loyd
corporal mortarman, 3 X mortarman, driver mechanic
Carries 12 X mortar bombs
Tows a mortar trailer with 4.2” mortar and 12 X mortar bombs.



The Medium Machine Gun Platoons

As there are three Medium Machine Gun platoons it would be logical to assign one to each Lorried Infantry battalion in the armoured division. They could however be used flexibly. Since the platoons were usually operating independently and at some distance from company headquarters they had to be able to either support themselves, or depend on the battalion they were serving for supplies, medical services and vehicle recovery and repair. There is no mention of a means of communication with infantry. The Wireless set No19 was for communication with company headquarters and possibly between platoons. Presumably either a Wireless set No38 was provided or the infantry battalion provided communications for the medium machine gun platoon.

Three MMG platoon each-
Platoon headquarters
Carrier, Universal
Subaltern, 2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set No19 and Wireless set No18
Motorcycle
orderly
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, batman, driver mechanic
Carries ammunition and stores
Carries PIAT
15cwt GS
4 X MMG numbers, driver IC
Carries stores and ammunition
Carries a Bren lmg

section 1
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carries ammunition and equipment
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.

section 2
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.

MMG platoon 2.
Carrier, Universal
Subaltern, 2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set No22
Motorcycle
orderly
Carrier, Universal
Serjeant, batman, driver mechanic
15cwt GS
4 X MMG numbers, driver IC

section 1
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.

section 2
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.

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MMG platoon 3.
Carrier, Universal
Subaltern, 2 X driver operator
Carries Wireless set No22
Motorcycle
orderly
Carrier, Universal
Serjeant, batman, driver mechanic
15cwt GS
4 X MMG numbers, driver IC

section 1
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.

section 2
Carrier, Universal
serjeant, rangetaker, driver mechanic
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.
Carrier, MMG
corporal MMG number, 2 X MMG number, driver mechanic
Carries a .303” Medium Machine Gun
Carries 12 X boxes of ammunition.


A Bren gun and PIAT per platoon were issued for local defence.

Deployment of the Medium Machine Gun platoon was much as for other support weapons. The platoon commander would receive his orders from the Commanding Officer of the unit being supported and then carry out a reconnaissance. He would then select positions for the gun sections. The platoon commander may then position himself at the headquarters of the lorried infantry battalion, leaving the serjeant to deal with administrative matters and the implementation of orders.



The .303” Medium Machine Gun.

This was an old but still effective design. It was water cooled and was capable of keeping up a sustained fire as long as ammunition lasted.

The effective range was 800 yards and the rate of fire was 500 rounds per minute.

The crew was three men

The gunner, who was a lance corporal, fired the gun and carried the tripod.
The loader, who carried the gun and condenser pipe. In action he ensured that the ammunition belts fed into the gun correctly and fitted new belts as required.
The ammunition number who carried 2 X 250 round ammunition boxes and the condenser can.

Ammunition came in wooden boxes each containing two metal boxes. Each metal box carried a 250 belt round of ammunition.

For mobile action the machine gun could be fired from the pedestal mount on the carriers engine cover. This was somewhat awkward when firing at some angles, and was definitely exposed. Normally the guns would be demounted and fired from the tripod. This could be used to give covering fire in an attack or when well dug in to give defensive fire. Since the tripod and sight gave considerable accuracy, and the rangefinders gave the range it was possible to use the machine gun to fire on invisible targets in a role similar to the gunners indirect fire. In defence they were often used to fire along fixed lines. These denied certain areas to an attacking enemy. Alternatively the defences were arranged so that the enemy were funnelled into the machine guns arc of fire.


The 4.2” mortar

This heavy mortar was developed originally for firing chemical shells and was used by the Royal Engineers. When it was seen the great effect that German Nebelwerfer mortars had it was decided to use the 4 .2” mortar as a support weapon firing high explosive. Note that the Nebelwerfer was also developed originally as a chemical warfare weapon. Nebelwerfer = smoke mortar.

The range of the 4.2” mortar could be from 1000 yards to 3,750 yards. The rate of fire was eight to ten rounds per minute as long as the ammunition and crews energy lasted. The crew was four men.

The mortar was broken into three loads for transport, the tube, the tripod and the baseplate. An extended baseplate was introduced for use on soft ground. [/left]
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sure well maybe after i get his records he may have had one of the positions ty again
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sure well maybe after i get his records he may have had one of the positions ty again
After you get his records, you may need help deciphering them, as they are written in 'military speak". We can help you with that.

Also, getting his records will take some time, usually 6 months or more after ordering them.

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I have ordered his records so I know I'll be waiting for awhile, I was able to find out about some of his medals Canadian Volunteer service medal w/overseas clasp,1939-1945 star,France &Gemany star and Defence medal, 1939-1945 war medal. Now my uncle who has the medals said that there are 2 others that was awarded after his death that he is trying to get. I do know that granddad was wounded,he was sent home due to shrapnel in his back. So now for me I just need to wait for his records.
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Just doing some follow-up on this older thread on a member of the Lake Superior Regiment (Motor) (LSR(M)).

Ref: Pte Clement Laybolt

In my father's book, "Letters to Leah" he writes...

Quote:
"...Yesterday we had a man killed about 5 hours
after he transferred to Charlie Company. Roy
McIntyre, a Despatch Rider from Battalion
Headquarters came to us at about 1600 hours, at
which time I met him as he waited for a ride up
front. He told me he had asked for a transfer to a
fighting company as he found it boring at
Battalion and he wanted to see some action. He
was still wearing his D.R.’s uniform, but was sent
straight up by vehicle to one of our platoons in
Gewande. He was killed at 1900 hours by a mortar
bomb that landed right beside him as he sought
shelter next to a low brick wall. Wounded with
him was Pte. Clem Laybolt...."

"....This morning I helped Padre Leng wrap
McIntyre in a blanket for burial. As the body was
contorted with rigor mortis, Padre asked me to
assist in holding the limbs together while he tied
them with wire. It took my full weight and
strength to make it easier for the Padre, who said
the body will be relaxed by the time it is buried.
We then wrapped and tied him in the blanket. The
wire Padre Leng uses is German assault telephone
line, which is very strong and flexible and can be
knotted easily like heavy cord. McIntyre will be
buried in the civilian cemetery in Orthen, which is
being used until our dead will be moved to a
Canadian Military cemetery later. I had been
standing with my arms folded, watching with a
couple of others when the Padre called on me to
help. It came easy to do so under his instructions.
He has the toughest job in the Regiment, burying
the men he has known for years and boys like me
whom he has helped turn into men. The more I
learn about him, the more I admire him.

The spot where McIntyre was killed in
Gewande had not been filled in when I was there
this morning. The mortar bomb landed in gravel
on the verge of a cobble road, blasting a shallow
crater about 18 inches in diameter and scattering
steel and gravel shrapnel that killed him and
wounded Laybolt. The crater holds a large pool of
his congealed blood which the boys thought had
come from the neck wounds, as his head was close
to the crater. In the centre of the pool, standing
upright is the tail fin assembly of the mortar bomb,
which the boys say occurred naturally, but more
likely they had been found and placed there for
dramatic effect.

This is going to be another long day as we
have a patrol across the river at 2100 hours tonight
and I should be trying to get some sleep, but I’m
on early duty and am a little worked up about
events of the day and have a headache to boot, so
here I am. Our patrol is the first for us since the
bright moonlight period, though Baker Company
had a 24 man patrol across last night that did not
bump the enemy, but did explore a large area.
They were across for over 4 hours and did not fire
a shot!

When we were taking over from Able the
other day, there was a demonstration of a new
rocket weapon in our area. The 1st Canadian
Rocket Company in position north of
s’Hertogenbosch fired a tremendous salvo of
rockets on the town of Hedel across the river from
Fort Crevecoeur. We heard the roar, then the
explosions and smoke over Hedel. Apparently,
there was a lot of brass around to witness the trial
but they saw little more than we did, just a huge
pall of smoke. I guess the Lake Sups will have to
go see!
The Lake Superior Regiment (M) War Diary of 5-Feb-45 at s'HERTOGENBOSCH MR 318474 notes that .......

Quote:
.... "C" Company reported 2 casualties 1 man Pte R.J. McIntyre was killed and Pte Laybolt wounded by mortar fire at 2100 hrs.
I also wonder if the original poster was able to get the Military History documents that she was after?
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